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標題[外絮] 2023 NBA聯合試訓回顧 by Jonathan Givony
時間2023-06-03 21:55:34
NBA draft combine recap: Latest on Brandon Miller and rising prospects
NBA聯合試訓回顧: Brandon Miller的最新消息與身價攀升的新秀們
https://t.co/lGHS3JKqOn by
Jonathan Givony and
Jeremy Woo, May 23 2023
譯註:原文在5/23發表,有些資訊可能稍微過時
The 2023 NBA draft combine is in the books, concluding a week in Chicago that
will forever be highlighted by the San Antonio Spurs' winning the draft
lottery and the right to select 19-year-old French phenom Victor Wembanyama
with the No. 1 pick.
2023年的NBA選秀聯合試訓已經結束,在Chicago的這週最耀眼的時刻將永遠屬於贏下
樂透以及選下19歲的法國天才Victor Wenbanyama權利的馬刺隊。
NBA executives from all 30 teams were on hand to get a closer look at this
year's draft class -- minus Wembanyama, who is still playing for
Metropolitans 92 in Paris -- prior to the June 22 draft (ESPN/ABC, 8 p.m. ET).
來自所有30支球隊的NBA高層都親自到場,在6/22的選秀日以前近距離觀察今年的選秀
梯中除了Wembanyama以外的新秀,Wembanyama則是還在為他的母隊Metropolitans 92效力。
One of the prospects in the spotlight was Alabama's Brandon Miller, who was
questioned by police following the fatal shooting of Jamea Jonae Harris in
Tuscaloosa, Alabama, in January. ESPN's projected No. 2 pick, who was not
charged with any crime, briefly addressed executives and the media regarding
the shooting.
受到關注的其中一位新秀是Alabama的Brandon Miller,他在今年1月Alabama的
Tuscaloosa發生的Jamea Jonae Harris致命槍擊案後接受了警方的盤問。這位ESPN預測
的榜眼並未被控告任何罪行,他簡短地向高層以及媒體就該槍擊案表達了意見。
Below is a look at Jonathan Givony's and Jeremy Woo's key observations from
last week, including how Charlotte is approaching the No. 2 pick, how some
teams felt underwhelmed by the combine and the prospects who stood out.
以下是Jonathan Givony和Jeremy Woo上週的重要觀察,包括黃蜂如何處理第二順位選
秀,一些球隊對聯合試訓感到的不滿、以及脫穎而出的新秀。
Brandon Miller interviews with 12 teams at the combine
Brandon Miller在聯合試訓時與多達12支球隊進行面談
With the San Antonio Spurs not doing anything to hide the fact that they will
be selecting Victor Wembanyama with the No. 1 pick, the 2023 NBA draft starts
at No. 2 with Charlotte deciding which direction it will head in.
由於馬刺毫不掩飾他們將使用第一順位選擇Victor Wembanyama的事實,2023年的
NBA選秀將從第二順位開始,黃蜂正在決定要往哪個方向前進。
Miller's season, which saw him named SEC Player of the Year and a first-team
All-American, elevated him on many NBA teams' big boards to the No. 2
prospect in the class. Tuesday's lottery results further solidified his
chances of hearing his name called immediately after Victor Wembanyama at No.
1, as both of the teams who rose into the top three -- Charlotte and Portland
-- have bigger needs on the wing than at guard. While there is a process that
will need to play out over the next month, it was hard to find a single NBA
executive at the draft combine who believed that G League Ignite guard Scoot
Henderson will eventually rise into the No. 2 spot.
在Miller的賽季中,他被評為SEC年度最佳球員和全美第一隊,這使他在許多NBA球隊內
部的排名中成為名列第二的新秀。抽籤的結果進一步鞏固了他在Victor Wembanyama
後立即被選上的機會,因為進入樂透前三的黃蜂和拓荒者兩隊在側翼的需求比後衛更
大。雖然在接下來的一個月還有流程要走,但很難找到任何在聯合試訓現身的NBA高層
覺得G League Ignite的後衛,Scoot Henderson最終能夠爬升到榜眼。
There are several mitigating factors that will still need to play out for
that to become a reality, though. Hornets general manager Mitch Kupchak is
known to place individual team workouts very high up on his priority list
when it comes to his decision-making process, and it's unclear what type of
workout Miller -- who was recovering at home in Nashville, Tennessee, from
mononucleosis while his peers were training for the pre-draft process -- will
be able to conduct on his visit to Charlotte. Miller has lost 13 pounds and
hasn't had much basketball activity since the season ended, his agent, Wilmer
Jackson, confirmed to ESPN.
然而,還有一些需要解決的問題才能使這件事成為現實。黃蜂的GM Mitch Kupchak在做
出決策時,個別球隊試訓的表現在他要做決定時的考量點中排名很高,但對於Miller來
說,不知道他到底能夠進行哪種形式的試訓。在同梯準備選前試訓的時候,他還在
Tennessee Nashville的家中休養,因為感染了傳染性單核白血球增多症的緣故。Miller
從賽季結束後掉了13磅的體重,而且沒有進行太多的籃球活動,他的經紀人Wilmer
Jackson向ESPN證實了這件事。
The fact that Kupchak attended Miller's best game of the season -- a 41-point
performance at South Carolina in late February -- should help alleviate that
concern. But the door is still open for Henderson to impress Charlotte
executives during his individual workout, something he's more than capable of
doing based on what we've seen the past two years.
Kupchak剛好出席了Miller本賽季表現最好的比賽 -- 二月底對決South Carolina的比賽中
單場砍下了41分,這點應該有助於減輕一些擔憂。但Henderson依然有機會在個人試訓
中給黃蜂高層留下深刻印象,根據我們在過去兩年所見,他完全有能力做到這一點。
While Henderson has narrowed his focus to the three teams picking atop the
draft, Miller elected to interview with 12 teams last week at the combine,
something you don't usually see from a player with such a seemingly narrow
draft range.
當Henderson將焦點集中在前三順位籤的球隊上時,Miller選擇與多達12支球隊進行面試
,這對於一位預測落點範圍狹窄的球員來說是不常見的做法。
Team executives present at interviews said Miller arrived holding a legal
brief written by his attorneys informing teams that he will not be able to
comment on specific details regarding the shooting.
參加面試的球隊高層表示,Miller帶著一份由他的律師撰寫的法律文件到場,通知各支球
隊他將無法對槍擊事件的具體細節發表評論。
A Tuscaloosa police investigator testified in February that Miller had
received a text message from his former teammate, Darius Miles, to bring
Miles' gun to the scene where Harris was killed. Miles and his friend,
Michael Lynn Davis, were charged with capital murder -- Davis for allegedly
firing the shot that killed Harris, and Miles for allegedly providing the gun.
一名Tuscaloosa警方的調查人員在二月做出證詞指出,Miller曾收到他的前隊友Darius
Miles發來的簡訊,要求他將Miles的槍帶到Harris被殺害的現場。Miles和他的朋友
Michael Lynn Davis被以謀殺罪起訴,Davis被指控是向Harris開槍謀殺的人,而Miles
則被指控提供了槍支。
Teams that interviewed Miller in Chicago have privately expressed some
concern regarding fallout that might still come in the form of a potential
lawsuit or follow-up investigation with yet-to-be-released details and were
hoping to get more information directly from him.
在芝加哥面試Miller的球隊私下表示對後續的發展有一些擔憂,擔心可能會有潛在的訴訟
或後續針對未公開的案件細節的調查,他們希望直接從Miller那裡獲得更多資訊。
Miller was also asked by reporters at the draft combine about what message he
was hoping to convey to teams regarding the shooting, and he said the
following: "The message I've presented to them is just it's all a lesson
learned. You always have to be aware of your surroundings and know what
you're surrounded by. I feel like the night could've changed my career in
less than a heartbeat. So always be aware of your surroundings."
在聯合試訓時,記者問了Miller關於槍擊案有什麼他希望跟球隊表達怎樣的訊息,以下
是他的回答:「我跟他們傳達的是說,這是我學到的一課。你要對周遭的環境保持警覺
,知道你身邊有什麼東西。我覺得那個晚上可能會在瞬間改變我的職業生涯。所以,永
遠要注意周圍環境。」
Brandon Miller受訪影片
https://twitter.com/MikeAScotto/status/1658916215488749575
The Hornets will likely have a degree of apprehension after Miles Bridges'
felony domestic violence charges, for which he pleaded no contest and was
suspended 30 games by the NBA. Bridges sat out the past season and is
currently a free agent, but the front office would like to have him back on
the roster next year, sources told ESPN.
據ESPN消息人士透露,黃蜂隊在發生過Miles Bridgs家暴的重案指控之後有一定的擔
憂,他在該案件中選擇拒絕答辯然後被NBA禁賽了30場。Bridges在上個賽季整季缺賽
,目前是自由球員,但球隊管理層希望明年能夠將他重新納入球隊陣容中。
The Hornets' ownership situation is currently in flux, as Adrian Wojnarowski
reported in March that Michael Jordan is in "serious talks to sell a majority
stake in the franchise to a group led by Hornets minority owner Gabe Plotkin
and Atlanta Hawks minority owner Rick Schnall." Jordan was awaiting the
possibility of landing the No. 1 pick before deciding whether to proceed with
a sale, sources told ESPN. It remains to be seen whether moving up to No. 2
changes that plan and what the timetable might look like if a sale did occur,
as well as how that might affect the front offices' decision-making process
in regard to who to draft.
根據Woj在三月份的報導中指出,黃蜂隊的經營權目前並不穩定,Michael Jordan正在
與由黃蜂的小股東Gabe Plotkin和老鷹隊的小股東Rick Schnall帶領的團隊進行「將
多數股權出售給他們的嚴肅談判」。消息人士告訴ESPN,MJ要決定是否出售之前在等
著看有沒有抽到狀元籤。目前還不清楚榜眼籤會不會讓他改變計劃,還有如果進行出
售那時程表將如何安排,不知道在要選誰這件事情上是否會影響球隊管理層的決策。
Charlotte is planning on sending its attorneys to Tuscaloosa this week to
conduct their own investigation into Miller's involvement in the Jan. 6
shooting, Jackson told ESPN, and Miller plans to fly to Charlotte in mid-June
for a workout and follow-up interview.
Jackson告訴ESPN,黃蜂計劃本週派遣律師前往Tuscaloosa進行對Miller在1月6日的槍
擊事件中的涉案情況進行獨立調查,而Miller計劃在6月中旬飛往夏洛特進行訓練和後
續面試。
Jackson reiterated there is no pending investigation into Miller, he did not
break any laws and that he is "free and clear" of any wrongdoing. "The case
is still open, and Brandon has had limited communication for that reason,"
Jackson said. "He's been cleared from day one. We were told by the attorneys
not to speak about the situation. At the right time we can have that
conversation, but for now, we're leaving it alone and will let the process
complete itself."
Jackson重申,Miller沒有任何待審調查,他沒有違法行為,他是「自由且清白的」。
Jackson說:「案件的調查仍在進行中,由於這個原因Brandon能夠說的有限。他從一
開始就已經沒事了,我們被律師告知不要談論相關的情況。在適當的時候我們可以聊
聊,但就目前而言,我們把這件事放到一邊,讓後續的流程自己走完。」
There's little doubt that teams will want Miller to answer more questions
regarding the shooting, for which he is a "cooperating witness," according to
the University of Alabama. How he handles those questions moving forward will
likely play a role in where he's ultimately picked.
球隊毫無疑問的會希望米勒能對槍擊事件回答更多問題,根據University of Alabama的
說法,他是一位「合作證人」。他如何處理這些問題將很可能對他最終被選中的位置
產生影響。
Combine dissatisfaction
讓人不滿意的聯合試訓
It's worth noting that teams seemed to be somewhat underwhelmed by combine
week on the whole, with 37 players (some more justified than others)
declining to play in scrimmages. The need for participants created a
trickle-up effect that predictably led to watered-down games both at the
combine and G League Elite camp, with most executives we spoke with feeling
that the level of play -- and the number of legitimate first-round candidates
playing -- was down relative to past years.
值得一提的是,整體而言球隊似乎對聯合試訓感到有些失望,37名球員(有些合理、有
些不合理)拒絕參加團體對抗賽。因為需要補人來打,造成不管是聯合試訓的團體對抗
賽還是G League Elite Camp的賽事強度有所下降,跟我們交換意見的大多數高層都感
覺比賽的水準以及有下場比賽的首輪等級新秀的數量跟往年相比都是下修的。
In addition, there were gripes about a rather arduous agency pro day schedule
that required team personnel to hang around for hours after the conclusion of
on-court activity on Monday, Wednesday and Thursday, to watch primarily
fringe-draftable prospects in unhelpful workout settings.
除此之外,經紀公司安排了辛苦的pro day時程,讓球隊工作人員得要在禮拜一、禮拜
三、禮拜四場上的活動結束之後,再花好幾個小時看一些中選邊緣的新秀在沒什麼幫
助的試訓設定下打球。
Executives were somewhat puzzled because the schedule ran so late on those
days, while Tuesday's schedule was left open. Pro day attendance, in general,
seemed to be down, with teams splitting up gym duties among themselves but
rarely assigning full cohorts of staff to stick around. Most of the NBA's top
decision-makers will now leave their home markets and flock to Los Angeles
this week for yet another set of agency-led pro days -- effectively taking a
second week of potentially significant team-hosted workouts off the calendar.
高層們對於這些行程為什麼要拖的這麼晚感到不解,中間還空了個禮拜二完全沒安排。
整體來說,pro day的出席率是下滑的,因為球隊得把要處理的事情分配給多個工作人
員來分擔,不會讓所有人馬一起行動。大多數的高層們這禮拜還要離開自己的地盤跑
到LA去參加另外一批經紀公司辦的pro day,讓他們整整少掉一週可以舉行更重要的
球隊試訓的時間。
The nonstop nature of the scheduling setup unintentionally makes things
difficult for college prospects who are genuinely testing the waters. In many
cases, this leaves just a few days for players to work out privately for
teams, to better assess their own standing ahead of the NCAA's May 31
withdrawal deadline. And with so few projected first-rounders actually
playing in any capacity at this year's combine (even the first day of
low-intensity drills was thinner on big-name participants than usual), the
concept of the scrimmages as a purported proving ground to earn first-round
status also lost a bit of its luster.
這種馬不停蹄的日程安排無意間讓那些試水溫的大學新秀們的處境變的更艱
難。從各方面來看,這讓他們可以為球隊進行私人試訓的時間減少,沒辦法在5/31的
返校截止日以前更準確的評估自己的身價。而且因為首輪身價的新秀願意參加團體對
抗賽的人數更少的關係(連第一天低強度的訓練課表都更少有身價的人參加),讓透過
團體對抗賽從「號稱有首輪」升到「真的有首輪」的概念失去了幾分光彩。
The onset of the NBA's new collective bargaining agreement on July 1 will
bring with it a couple of major changes to next year's combine. Prospects
will be required to attend and participate in order to be eligible for the
draft and will be required to partake in medical examinations. While players
will still not be forced by the league to scrimmage, the changes to the rules
give the NBA far more control over the pre-draft process, eliminating agents'
ability to create leverage by controlling which teams have access to what
information about their clients. It's still unclear exactly where the lines
will be drawn in terms of which players will be required to do what moving
forward -- it's still difficult to imagine the NBA forcing a projected top-10
pick to test or partake in drills -- but the hope is that the combine itself
may take on at least some degree of added significance in years to come.
在7/1將會上線的新版CBA將會為明年的聯合試訓帶來諸多重大改變。新秀們
將被要求出席並參加才有資格獲選,而且必須要進行醫療檢查。儘管球員還是不會被
強迫參加團體對抗賽,這些改變依然給了NBA在選前流程上的更多掌控,讓經紀人不
再能在這個過程中上下其手以控制哪些球隊可以得到他們客戶的資訊。現在還不確定
到時候的界線會如何劃分 -- 很難想像NBA去強迫有前十身價的新秀去體測或參加訓
練課表 -- 但是希望聯合試訓本身在未來的重要性能夠有所增加。
Some around the league hypothesized that this year's generally limited
participation from nearly every projected first-rounder may have stemmed from
agents exercising their ability to effectively play games in this particular
context for the final time before the rules tilt in favor of teams. Reasoning
aside, the combine itself felt a tad less consequential than normal this
year, and there's still quite a bit left to play out behind closed doors with
the draft just a month away.
聯盟中的一些人懷疑,今年幾乎所有首輪身價新秀低落的參與程度,就是經
紀人們想要在規則倒向球隊方以前,趁著最後一次還能這樣玩的時候秀肌肉。無論原
因是什麼,這次聯合試訓的重要性比往常的低了一些,在距離選秀僅剩一個月的時間
內還會有不少事情在幕後進行。
Stock movers
身價變動的新秀們
Brandin Podziemski | Santa Clara | Top 100: No. 31
Brandin Podziemski團體對抗賽精華剪輯
https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1658954154755207171
Having entered the week as one of our higher-ranked prospects slated to
scrimmage, Podziemski turned in an excellent showing on the first day of
games, stuffing the box score with 10 points, eight assists and seven
rebounds, flashing some on-ball creation ability and a willingness to battle
in the run of play. While not immensely gifted from a physical standpoint
(6-foot-3¾ barefoot with a 6-5 wingspan), his constant pursuit of 50-50
balls and nonstop motor would seem to be good indicators that he'll at least
hold his own on the defensive end. He will have to work himself into a truly
high-level shooter to secure a regular NBA role, but he has been trending in
a good direction on that front.
這週開始前Podziemski就是參加團體對抗賽的球員裡排名較高的待選新秀,
在第一天的比賽中就表現出色,拿下了10分、8助攻、7籃板,展現了一些持球創造力
跟競爭心態。儘管從身體條件的角度上並不是十分出色(裸足6' 3.75",臂展6' 5")
,他不斷地去爭搶50-50球以及永不停懈的拚勁看起來都是他能在防守端承擔起自己
責任的跡象。如果想要在NBA拿下一個屬於自己的位置,他需要努力讓自己成為一個
真正的高水準射手,不過就這方面來說他的進展不錯。
Many around the league view Podziemski as one of the most competitive
prospects in this class, and he reinforced that reputation in Chicago,
approaching every aspect of the combine seriously and choosing to play on the
second day of scrimmages, rather than shut it down after a strong initial
showing. On Friday, Podziemski announced his intent to remain in the draft,
and he has likely earned himself guaranteed money.
聯盟中的許多人認為Podziemski是這個選秀梯中最有競爭意識的新秀之一,
而他在芝加哥證明了這一點,認真看待聯合試訓的所有環節,而且在第一天強勢的表
現之後沒有選擇關機而是繼續打第二天的團體對抗賽。禮拜五的時候,Podziemski宣
布了他確定參選,而且他很有可能為自己贏得了一份保障合約。
Olivier-Maxence Prosper | Marquette | Top 100: No. 32
Olivier-Maxence Prosper團體對抗賽精華剪輯
https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1658965466843430912
Prosper was a Wednesday combine standout, racking up 21 points and seven
rebounds, bullying his way to the free throw line (10-for-12 on free throws
in 22 minutes), and showcasing his two-way upside before opting to shut it
down on Thursday. Measuring at just under 6-7 barefoot with a 7-1 wingspan
and 40½-inch max vertical, Prosper's physical advantage was pronounced in a
scrimmage setting where few opponents could really slow him. While not the
type of player NBA teams will trust to make decisions with the ball, he's
physically suited to play either forward spot and was able to separate
himself from the pack somewhat at the combine. He wasn't heavily featured on
offense at Marquette, but the flashes of aggression he showed in Chicago
popped in a big way.
Prosper是禮拜三聯合試訓的亮點,砍下了21分7籃板,強硬的打法讓他不斷站上罰球
線(22分鐘內12罰10中),在禮拜四關機以前展現了他攻防兩端的潛力。在體測部分量
出了裸足6' 7"、臂展7' 1"以及40.5"的垂直彈跳,Prosper的身體條件在團體對抗賽
中大放異彩,因為沒什麼對手擋得住他。儘管不是那種NBA球隊能信任持球做決策的
球員,他的身體條件兩個前鋒的位置都能打並且在聯合試訓中脫穎而出。他在
Marquette的進攻中並不是扮演太重要的角色,但是他在芝加哥展現的企圖心讓人留
下了深刻的印象。
While still not a particularly good shooter -- his mechanics are a bit stiff,
and cultivating 3-point range will be crucial to him sticking around in the
NBA long-term -- Prosper is still on the younger side for a college junior,
turning 21 in July with room for additional physical and skill development.
There are still some warts around his questionable feel and below-average
defensive productivity that may keep him from sneaking into the first round,
but he's the type of athlete who at least deserves real developmental
opportunities on the chance his ability to read the game can meet NBA
standards. A return to college could give him an opportunity to bolster his
stock further, but Prosper's odds of landing a guaranteed contract look much
better following his combine showing.
儘管並不是一個特別出色的射手 -- 他的投射機制有些僵硬,能否培養出三分射程將
對於他長久的待在聯盟中至關重要 -- 以大三生來說Prosper還算年輕,在7月的時候
滿21歲的他還有空間進一步發展身體和技能。他有點問題的球感還有低於平均的防守
產出還是讓人有疑慮,可能沒辦法溜進首輪,但他至少是那種值得培養的體能怪,看
比賽閱讀能力能不能成長到符合NBA標準。返校也許能給他把身價再往上衝的機會,
但Prosper得到一份保障合約的機會比起參加聯合試訓前高出了不少。
譯註:Prosper在聯合試訓及Pro day收穫不少好評,已於5/26宣布確定參選
Ben Sheppard | Belmont | Top 100: No. 36
Ben Sheppard團體對抗賽精華剪輯
https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1659325462072500225
As a mid-major prospect who went somewhat under-scouted at Belmont, Sheppard
legitimized himself as a draftable player in Chicago, turning in a pair of
strong scrimmages that showcased some breadth in his skill set. He was tasked
with some ballhandling duties and didn't look entirely uncomfortable
initiating play, also making several impressive passes for assists. Those
elements of his game leave the door open for potential growth as a secondary
creator moving forward. Sheppard also looked solid defensively trailing the
ball, and his all-around activity level and constant energy left a positive
impression.
身為一個mid-major、沒什麼球探關注的Belmont潛力新秀,Sheppard在芝加哥證明
了他是一個值得中選的球員,在兩場團體對抗賽中展現他的技能包。他被要求負責持
球的責任,看起來對於持球發起進攻並不會感到不適,並且傳出了不少好球拿下助攻
。他比賽中的這些元素讓他有機會在未來成長為次要持球者。Sheppard防守端的表現
看起來也蠻扎實的,他全方位的積極性以及持續不斷的能量讓人留下了好印象。
We knew Sheppard was a legitimate threat from distance entering the week, but
he also flashed a pretty quick first step and measured up to par for a
2-guard, coming in at 6-5¼ barefoot with a 6-6¾ wingspan. He certainly
didn't look like an overmatched mid-major star in any respect, and
considering the constant league-wide demand for perimeter shooters, Sheppard
now looks like a solid bet to be drafted. He could conceivably keep rising
with positive showings in team workouts.
在本週的活動開始以前我們就知道他的投射能力是真貨,但他還展現了非常快的第一
步,他的體測數據也達到了SG的標準,裸足6' 5.25"的身高以及6' 6.75"的臂展。不
管從任何角度來看,他都不像是那種被電爛的mid-major球星。考量到全聯盟都需要
射手,Sheppard看起來像是個安定的賭注。可以想像他在球隊試訓中用好表現來持續
拉抬身價。
Tristan Vukcevic | Partizan | Top 100: No. 37
Tristan Vukcevic團體對抗賽精華剪輯
https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1658939631725887488
Vukcevic was nearly automatic scoring the ball on the first day of scrimmages
with 21 points on 8-for-11 shooting, flashing an appealing mix of size and
scoring ability and doing enough to justify shutting things down after that.
The combine presented a major opportunity for him on a couple of fronts, as
the majority of executives and scouts in attendance had never seen him play
live, and with the center position widely acknowledged as the thinnest in
this year's draft.
Vukcevic在第一天的團體對抗賽中簡直就是個得分機器,11投8中拿下21分,展現了
吸引人的兼具身材與得分能力的綜合體,在打出了足夠的表現之後選擇了關機。聯合
試訓提供了他非常好的機會在大家面前表現自我,因為大多數的高層跟球探都沒有在
現場親眼看過他的比賽,而且今年的選秀梯在中鋒的深度是最淺的。
At 6-11¼ barefoot with a 7-2½ wingspan, Vukcevic offers as much from a
skill perspective as any non-Wembanyama big in this draft class. That alone
gives him some obvious appeal, although his history of productivity is a bit
questionable. He has never been a standout defensively and has a lot of
things to refine, but there's some legitimate stretch-5 potential with him,
and he's looking like one of the better stashable options anywhere in the
second round.
裸足6' 11.25",臂展7' 2.5",Vukcevic在技巧層面上並不遜於這梯任何除了
Wembanyama以外的長人。單這點就讓他顯得非常有吸引力,儘管他過去的成績讓人有
些疑慮。防守一直以來都不是他的亮點,而且還有不少東西需要打磨,但是他有成為
stretch-5的潛力,看起來就是很適合在二輪選來放洋的人選。
Seth Lundy | Penn State | Top 100: No. 51
Seth Lundy團體對抗賽精華剪輯
https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1659338231404437505
Viewed by some as a surprise combine invite, Lundy dispelled that notion by
putting on the week's best 3-point shooting display, draining eight
3-pointers on 11 attempts across both scrimmages and placing himself in the
ever-popular "3-and-D" bucket. Teams hoping he'd remain somewhat under the
radar as a sleeper two-way candidate had to have been bummed by Lundy's
scoring explosion. He's in a significantly better position to hear his name
called after the week's events, also measuring at 6-4 with a solid 6-10¼
wingspan. While Lundy is already 23 and can have occasional tunnel vision as
a scorer, he flashed some ability to make the next pass and fit in alongside
teammates. If he can handle himself defensively at the next level, there's a
well-worn path to a utility role for him.
Lundy被一些人視為意外的聯合試訓邀請人選,他用本週最出色的三分球投射表現掃
清了這些質疑,在團體對抗賽中三分球11投8中,成功的為自己貼上熱門的3D球員標
籤。那些希望他能保持低調的成為雙向球員潛在人選的球隊被他的爆發得分打了臉,
本週過後他顯然更有機會在選秀大會上被唱名。裸足6' 4"、臂展6' 10.25",儘管
Lundy已經23歲而且做為得分手來說他的眼光偶爾有些狹隘,但是他展現了一些二傳
的能力而且與隊友配合良好。如果他能在下一個層級做好防守,他能走上這條不少人
走過的路線成為功能性的角色球員。
Dillon Mitchell | Texas | Top 100: No. 42
Although Mitchell briefly captivated imaginations with good showings in
shooting drills Monday, his scrimmage performance reinforced why he wasn't
much of a contributor at Texas. In his defense, that setting was never going
to favor him, and props to Mitchell for playing anyway, but his
decision-making struggles and overall inability to impact the game on offense
were pretty evident. He's a big-time project who is multiple years away from
being a net positive in an NBA game. Drafting him will require belief in his
potential for development down the line.
儘管Mitchell在週一的投射訓練中有很不錯的表現,但是他在團體對抗賽中的表現證
明了為什麼他在Texas沒辦法有所貢獻。以他的防守來說,團體對抗賽的環境絕對不
會讓他好過,雖然得稱讚一下他願意下場打球,但他決策上的掙扎以及毫無影響力的
進攻端顯而易見。他是個需要好幾年時間才能在NBA場上有正面貢獻的待養新秀,選
他的球隊需要很買單他的潛力跟未來的成長。
譯註:Dillon Mitchell已於5/31宣布退選返校
Amari Bailey | UCLA | Top 100: No. 43
Bailey was productive in the scrimmages, totaling 14 assists between them,
but he benefited greatly from heavy on-ball usage. There are scouts who like
his vision and athleticism, but his iffy 3-point shooting and somewhat
one-dimensional style of downhill attacking makes him more of an acquired
taste. He's a ways from helping an NBA team, but Bailey is in a better spot
to be drafted than he was entering the week, at the very least.
Bailey在團體對抗賽中的產出不錯,總計14次助攻,但他獲益於大量的持球球權。有
些球探喜歡他的視野跟體能,但是他不穩定的三分以及相對單一的切入攻擊的球風讓人
不多花點時間的話沒辦法喜歡上。他距離能幫助NBA球隊還很遠,但至少比起參加聯
合試訓前,他被選上的機會增加了一些。
Emoni Bates | Eastern Michigan | Top 100: No. 57
Contrary to expectations, Bates did a fairly decent job of sharing the ball
in scrimmages while also showcasing his own shot-making skills. Given all we
know, however, it's pretty clear at this point his aptitude for team
basketball is subpar at this stage. Bates struggles to impact the game when
not placed in a high-usage offensive role with a large diet of touches, and
his feel for playing with others away from the ball has always been somewhat
limited. His lack of physical strength and length hinders him, as well. It
wasn't all bad for Bates at the combine, but he didn't reinvent the wheel,
either, and he's far from a lock to be drafted at this point.
與預期相反,Bates在團體對抗賽中相當不錯地分享了球權,同時展示了自己的投射
能力。然而我們都知道,很明顯他打團隊籃球的能力欠佳。Bates在進攻上沒有大量
球權以及觸球的話沒有影響比賽的能力,他沒辦法在手上沒球的時候跟別人一起打球
。在體能跟長度上的匱乏也阻礙了他。在聯合試訓上他的表現並非一無是處,但他也
沒什麼突破性的表現,目前他遠遠無法確定是否會被選上。
Hunter Tyson | Clemson | Top 100: No. 60
Tyson was among the top players at G League Elite camp and played his way
into the combine by showcasing a nice mix of shooting, positional size and
toughness over the course of the week. Measuring at 6-7½ with a nearly 6-10
wingspan, Tyson established enough of a physical presence on the floor to
impact the game beyond simply spacing the floor. Whether or not he's drafted,
the constant demand for players in his mold should lead to a real opportunity
somewhere.
Tyson是G League Elite camp的頂尖球員,靠著他的投射、身體尺寸以及韌性打進聯
合試訓。量測出裸足6' 7.5"以及接近6' 10"的臂展,Tyson在場上建立了足夠的存在
感,不只是靠單純的拉開空間來影響比賽。無論他是否會被選上,對於這類型的球員
持續不斷的需求應該會讓他在某處得到真正的機會。
Jordan Miller | Miami | Top 100: No. 67
While Miller is one of the older players in the draft, he was among the most
productive players at the combine. At this point, he has proved his mettle as
a winning role player with a decent mix of size, skill and motor, totaling 28
points and 15 rebounds between the two scrimmages. Though he measured in
under 6-5, his nearly 7-foot wingspan allows him to play a bit bigger, and
makes him an interesting fit for small-ball lineups, particularly if his
shooting can improve a bit. Miller is a solid two-way contract candidate who
could overachieve in the right situation.
儘管Miller是選秀中年紀較大的球員之一,但他在聯合試訓中是最多產出的球員之一
。到目前為止,他已經證明自己是一名具有體型、技巧和企圖心,能贏球的角色球員
,在兩場團體對抗賽中總計拿下28分15籃板。儘管他的身高略矮於6' 5",他的7'臂
展能讓他往上扛一點,在小球陣容中能扮演有趣的角色,特別是如果他的投射能再進
步一點的話。Miller是個扎實的雙向球員人選,在正確的環境下可以超乎預期。
Other measurement takeaways
其他的體測數據看點
Zach Edey | Purdue | Top 100: No. 48
Edey pro day
https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1659681980076654592
NBA executives were well aware of Edey's outlier physical tools, but it was
still startling to see the Wooden Award winner measure over 7-3 barefoot, 306
pounds with a 7-10½ wingspan and 9-7½ standing reach. If he elects to stay
in the draft, Edey will be one of the tallest and longest player in the NBA
-- along with the 7-5 Wembanyama -- while eclipsing the likes of Boban
Marjanovic and Rudy Gobert.
NBA的高層對於Edey超乎尋常的身體條件心知肚明,但親眼看到這位伍登獎的得主量
出了裸足身高7' 3"、306磅的體重、7' 10.5"的臂展以及9' 7.5"的站立摸高時,還
是非常驚人的。如果他選擇參選,Edey將馬上成為NBA中最高、最長的球員之一 --
跟7' 5"的Wembanyama一起 -- 類似於Boban Marjanovic跟Rudy Gobert。
Edey also conducted what many considered to be the most interesting pro day
of any prospect in Chicago, showing better-than-expected mobility,
coordination and skill running the floor, finishing around the basket and
making jumpers from midrange and beyond the arc. He brought a huge amount of
energy and appears to be in outstanding shape. Several NBA executives said
they were impressed with the way he presented himself and now view him in a
slightly different light after seeing him in that setting. Edey hasn't
decided yet whether to keep his name in the draft -- he's looking for
assurances he'll be picked in the late first or early second round -- and
told reporters in Chicago he'll likely wait until the NCAA deadline of May 31
to make his decision.
Edey還舉行了許多人認為是芝加哥的所有新秀中最有趣的Pro day,展現了優於預期
的移動能力、協調性和技巧,無論是場上推進、籃下終結、中距離跳投以及三分投射
。他帶著滿滿能量以及良好的體態。許多NBA高層表示他們對他展現自我的方式感到
印象深刻,而且看到這個環境設定下的Edey讓他們的印象有些許改觀。Edey尚未決定
是否要參選 -- 他尋求在首輪末或二輪初中選的保證 -- 並且告訴芝加哥的記者們他
很可能會等到5/31的截止時間前才會做決定。
譯註:Edey於5/31宣布決定返校
Amen Thompson | Overtime Elite | Top 100: No. 4
Ausar Thompson | Overtime Elite | Top 100: No. 5
The Thompson twins both measured longer than expected relative to several
previously released figures from Overtime Elite the past two years -- at 6-7
in shoes with a 7-foot wingspan. Ausar (218 pounds) is four pounds heavier
than Amen (214) but both are extremely impressive for a guard or wing
prospect, on par with the likes of Andre Iguodala, Thaddeus Young and Jaylen
Brown. The twins both have legitimate guard skills with their ability to
handle, pass and finish with creativity around the basket. The fact that they
have the length and frame to guard power forwards or even centers in extreme
small-ball lineups gives them defensive versatility that few players in this
draft can boast, especially after considering their top-tier athleticism.
Thompson雙胞胎的體測數據都比預期要來的跟長,跟過去兩年OTE釋出的數據相比較
的話。穿鞋6' 7"和7'的臂展,218磅的Ausar比Amen重4磅,但是以後衛或側翼來說都
讓人印象深刻的數據,與Andre Iguodala、Thaddeus Young跟Jaylen Brown類似。雙
胞胎都有合格的後衛技能,能持球、傳球以及在籃下充滿創造性的終結。他們的長度
與體格能夠上扛到大前鋒甚至是在極端小球陣中守到中鋒,這種多位置防守的能力在
這個選秀梯中並沒有多少人有,特別是考量到他們還有頂級的體能。
Jalen Hood-Schifino | Indiana | Top 100: No. 14
It has been nearly four years since we've gotten updated measurements on
Hood-Schifino, and he's clearly grown and filled out considerably since then,
now up to 6-5½ in shoes, 217 pounds with a 6-10¼ wingspan. It's hard to
find many players in the NBA who play point guard and boast those types of
physical dimensions -- our extensive measurement comparison database spit out
the likes of James Harden, Dwyane Wade, Malcolm Brogdon and Anthony Edwards
as a few of his physical comps.
距離我們上次更新Hood-Schifino的體測數據已經快四年了,從那以後他明顯地長高
又長壯,現在穿鞋身高有6' 5.5"、217磅的體重以及6' 10.25"的臂展。NBA裡面沒有
多少打控衛的球員擁有這樣的身形 -- 我們廣泛的比較量測數據的資料庫後,發現他
的身體條件類似於James Harden、Dwyane Wade、Malcolm Brogdon跟Anthony
Edwards。
Cason Wallace | Kentucky | Top 100: No. 12
Wallace pro day
https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1659896907882217474
Wallace measured 2½ inches longer and more than an inch taller than expected
from the figures we received from the Kentucky pro day in October -- an event
that seemed to shortchange several of its players (Chris Livingston's
wingspan is more than 3 inches longer and he's over an inch taller, for
example). At 6-4 in shoes, 195 pounds with a 6-8½ wingspan, John Wall, Bruce
Brown, De'Anthony Melton and Derrick White are some of the comps our database
offers, suggesting Wallace has the type of coveted defensive versatility we
saw in his lone season at Kentucky.
Wallace的體測數據跟我們去年十月在Kentucky的pro day中拿到的相比,長度多了
2.5",身高多了1" -- 那個活動量矮了好幾個他們自己的球員(舉例來說,Chris
Livingston的臂展實際上多了3",身高超過1")。穿鞋6' 4"、195磅的體重以及
6' 8.5"的臂展,從我們的資料庫中找到類似的對比是John Wall、Bruce Brown、
De'Anthony Melton以及Derrick White,也符合了我們看到他在Kentucky的這一季中
所展現令人垂涎三尺的多位置防守能力。
Rayan Rupert | NZ Breakers | Top 100: No. 18
We were well aware of Rupert's dimensions from the season, but it was still
impressive to see them on paper. He has the same wingspan as De'Andre Hunter
(7-2) and very similar dimensions to his favorite NBA player, Mikal Bridges,
who was 11 pounds heavier at age 21 (Rupert is still 18). Herbert Jones,
Trevor Ariza and Otto Porter Jr. are a few other names our database suggests
as close physical comps, which is exactly the mold of player many NBA teams
envision when projecting Rupert long-term.
我們很清楚Rupert的身材如何,但能夠在紙上看到實際數據還是挺印象深刻的。他有
著跟De'Andre Hunter一樣的臂展(7' 2")以及跟他最喜歡的NBA球員Mikal Bridges類
似的身型,21歲時的Mikal Bridges比現在18歲的Rupert重了11磅。我們資料庫裡找
出來的類似球員有Herbert Jones、Trevor Ariza跟Otto Porter Jr.,這正是許多
NBA球隊預期Rupert長期發展後會長成的球員類型。
Pro days recap
Pro days回顧
Keyonte George | Baylor | Top 100: No. 15
George pro day
https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1659050658681503745
George elected to not measure, test or participate in any facet of the drills
portion of the combine, making his pro day the only glimpse of on-court
action NBA teams would receive. Several executives pointed to this workout as
one of the most impressive they saw over the course of the week, as he was
noticeably in outstanding shape, looked extremely explosive finishing around
the basket and made difficult shots look easy all session long. The
late-night workout, run by two-time NBA champion Mike Miller (who is also his
agent), was full of energy and something much appreciated by scouts after a
long day in the gym. George still has work to do in workouts to solidify his
standing as a lottery prospect, but he certainly helped his cause in Chicago.
George選擇不參加任何測量、測試、訓練菜單以及聯合試訓的所有環節,讓他的pro
day成為NBA球隊們能在球場上看到他的唯一機會。許多高層指出這個試訓是本週看到
最印象深刻的其中一場,因為他明顯的保持著絕佳體態,展現了充滿爆發力的籃下終
結,在整場試訓的過程中讓各種高難度出手看起來簡單無比。這場深夜的試訓,由兩
屆NBA冠軍Mike Miller所舉辦(Miller同時也是他的經紀人),全程充滿能量,讓在體
育館待了整天的球探們感到十分欣慰。George在球隊試訓中還有工作要完成才能確
保他的樂透身價,但是他在芝加哥肯定成功拉抬了自己的行情。
Matthew Murrell | Ole Miss | Top 100: NR
Coming off a somewhat underwhelming junior season at Ole Miss, Murrell didn't
have a great showing at the G League Elite camp, posting just 13 points on 15
field goal attempts in 34 minutes of action. Understandably not drawing a
great deal of interest from NBA teams, he looked all but set to return to Ole
Miss next season -- where a new coaching staff led by Chris Beard awaits him
-- before giving NBA teams one last glimpse of him at his agency's pro day in
the last day of the NBA draft combine. Murrell took advantage of the platform
and then some, looking like one of the most vertically explosive athletes in
the class while shooting the ball better than expected in drills and making
several eye-popping plays that only a handful of players outside the NBA are
capable of. Murrell was viewed as a breakout candidate after a sophomore
season in which he shot 39% from 3, but didn't make the step many hoped this
year -- hitting just 30% of his 3s (but 84% of his free throws). His pro day
experience has rekindled the interest he's garnering among NBA teams, leading
to a flurry of workout invites, but he still has work to do to receive the
type of assurances he's hoping for in order to keep his name in the draft.
在Ole Miss度過了一個令人有些失望地大三賽季後,Murrell在G League Elite Camp
中也沒有拿出好表現,34分鐘出手15次僅僅得到了13分。不意外的並沒有引起NBA球
隊太多的興趣,他看起來幾乎確定要再下一季回到Ole Miss打拼 -- Chris Beard已
經帶著全新的教練團隊在等著他。在NBA聯合試訓的最後一天,Murrell把握了這個平
台的最後機會,看起來像是這個選秀梯中最有垂直爆發力的體能怪,在訓練中繳出超
乎預期的投射表現,並打出了幾個NBA外沒幾個球員有能力打出的play。在大二賽季
時他投出了39%的三分命中率,讓他被視為是有機會突破的人選之一,但沒有拿出大
家希望看到的表現 -- 三分命中率只剩30% (但罰球命中率有84%)。他在pro day的表
現成功重燃了NBA球隊對他的興趣,與之而來的是一連串的試訓邀請,但要想得到能
讓他決定參選的保證前,他還有許多工作要做。
譯註:Murrell於5/30宣布決定返校
Gregory Jackson II | South Carolina | Top 100: 34
GG Jackson pro day
https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1658994176531353605
Viewed by NBA teams as one of the more polarizing prospects in this class in
terms of his draft range, Jackson's pro day was well attended by executives.
Electing to be the only player on the floor, somewhat of a rarity, Jackson
looked completely gassed only minutes into his workout, struggling to make
shots for much of the session. If teams had concerns about his body language
and especially his shot selection this season -- he was the most inefficient
high-volume scorer in high-major basketball (44 EFG%) -- Jackson didn't do
much to alleviate those concerns. The majority of the types of shots he
attempted in Chicago would be considered low-percentage looks. Couple that
with his relatively pedestrian measurements for a power forward -- Paul
George, Kevin Knox, Sam Dekker and Sekou Doumbouya are some of his closest
physical comps -- along with his struggles in the drills session of the
combine on Monday, and this clearly wasn't a great week for Jackson's hopes
of solidifying himself as a sure-fire first-rounder.
Jackson在這個選秀梯中的落點範圍被NBA球隊們視為看法最兩極化的潛力新秀,他的
pro day吸引了許多NBA高層參與。選擇成為在場上唯一的球員,少見的決定,
結果Jackson在自己的試訓沒打幾分鐘就已經筋疲力盡,整場試訓下來大部分的時間
都投不進球。如果球隊們是對他的肢體語言以及出手選擇(high-major中最低效的高
出手數得分手,44% EFG%)有疑慮的話,整場試訓下來並沒有消除這些擔憂。他在芝
加哥大多數的出手都被視為是低命中率的空檔。搭配他在大前鋒中相對平庸的體測數
據 -- 身體條件最接近的有Paul George、Kevin Knox、Sam Dekker跟Sekou
Doumbouya -- 再加上他在聯合試訓的投射訓練環節中的掙扎,這週的表現肯定對於
他鎖定自己首輪身價的希望沒有幫助。
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※ 編輯: lens82801 (111.252.195.94 臺灣), 06/03/2023 21:59:52
推 gaiaesque : 推 06/03 22:00
推 dwiee : 感謝翻譯 06/03 22:02
推 JusufNurkic : 推推 06/03 22:06
推 tim19990312 : 黃蜂別猶豫 無腦選Scoot就100分 06/03 22:15
推 PeterHenson : Scoot有那麼穩嗎 06/03 22:17
推 cw758: 未看先猜這包養網 06/03 22:17 推 mhkt : GG Jackson 身價掉這麼多0.0 06/03 22:17
推 vvvv0o0vvvv : Bates 還沒鎖到二輪哦 06/03 22:20
推 FncRookie001: 以黃蜂的養成還是選Scoot吧…鬥志高的球員自己處理 06/03 22:20
推 mhkt : 有文字要修正 Kevin Know> Kevin Knox 才對 06/03 22:20
推 kenchoukc : 用心 06/03 22:21
推 ludi: 一定又是這包養網 06/03 22:21 推 mhkt : Cason Wallace照這試訓情況 有機會衝到前10欸 06/03 22:31
推 william12tw : 火箭第四順位到底會選到誰?現在各種傳聞Amen有機會 06/03 22:33
→ william12tw : 跳到前三 06/03 22:33
→ mhkt : 目前是Amen啦 06/03 22:33
→ tyrone0923 : 跳到前三就看誰掉下來吧 06/03 22:34
推 peernut: 包養平台不意外 06/03 22:34 推 stpmouse : 推翻譯 06/03 22:34
推 mhkt : 除非BM案情有影響到身價 06/03 22:36
推 ck326 : 紋斑馬太穩了ㄅ,沒來聯合試訓太有信心了 06/03 22:36
→ mhkt : 不然正常情況火箭預測還是Amen 06/03 22:36
推 william12tw : 去年看起來沒意外的也都發生意外了 不到選秀當天真 06/03 22:37
推 xikimi: 覺得包養網EY嗎 06/03 22:37 → william12tw : 的很難說 不過斑馬狀元這肯定100% 06/03 22:37
推 Fifteam : 黃蜂養成不差啊 06/03 22:38
→ Fifteam : 巫師才是新秀墳場吧 06/03 22:38
推 PeterHenson : 斑馬還在打季後賽 也不能來試訓 06/03 22:39
推 CRChen : 是說反正他跟馬刺情投意合,應該也不擔心任何意外吧 06/03 22:40
推 Avero: 包養網站葉配啦 06/03 22:40 推 mhkt : 不過湯普森兄弟確實體測很優 這點蠻多隊伍會注意 06/03 22:41
推 kkl522608 : 感謝整理翻譯 06/03 22:41
推 jetloading00: 推個 蠻喜歡看JHS打球的處理 06/03 22:41
→ mhkt : Whitmore其實也有 06/03 22:42
→ mhkt : 但多半預測要Amen 主要是控衛這點要補 06/03 22:43
推 ejoz: 記者收了包養網多少啦 06/03 22:43 → mhkt : 在自由市場尚未開市前 正常火箭的選法還是注重控 06/03 22:43
→ mhkt : 衛 06/03 22:43
推 william12tw : Whitmore我覺得不適合火箭 跟火箭現有球員不好搭配 06/03 22:47
推 mhkt : 因為火箭手中還有20順位(這個順位會來挑個禁區或 06/03 22:49
→ mhkt : 者撿漏的側翼) 06/03 22:49
推 FishRoom: 包養真亂 06/03 22:49 → tyrone0923 : 火箭應該就Miller、Scoot、Amen三選一就是了 06/03 22:52
推 amdvega : 推一下長文 火箭去年除了神棍人人打街球 感覺很不 06/03 22:54
→ amdvega : 適合選另一個有潛力當自幹王的Whitmore 06/03 22:54
推 matsuwu : 所以是打算撿到斑馬就不賣了,現在繼續賣嗎XDD 06/03 22:54
推 VTsuyoshi : 推分享 06/03 22:58
推 KsiR: 演藝圈一堆包養好嗎 06/03 22:58 推 sustainer123: ESPN榜單好像把Jalen Hood-Schifino排給爵士 06/03 23:19
推 Kazmier : Whitmore感覺跟Bey很像啊 06/03 23:22
→ Kazmier : Amen很謎。兩兄弟打那種娛樂聯賽還刷不出數據 06/03 23:23
→ Kazmier : 但是聲勢一直都很高 06/03 23:23
→ Kazmier : 他們團隊很會炒作 06/03 23:24
推 peoples: 政治圈一堆包養好嗎 06/03 23:24 推 bestteam : 我是黃蜂會選Scoot 他比球三更有當球隊老大的潛力 06/03 23:28
→ tyrone0923 : 因為兄弟兩人的體測數據好看阿,聲勢更往上衝 06/03 23:29
推 tim19990312 : 一堆推特寫手也把雙胞胎放在那個位置 06/03 23:30
→ tim19990312 : 跟炒作無關 06/03 23:31
推 sustainer123: 大多榜單都把他兩兄弟放那位子 06/03 23:32
推 wilmer: 有錢人一堆包養好嗎 06/03 23:32 推 kenkuo1688 : Bates好慘 06/03 23:44
推 william12tw : 那兩兄弟的天賦是真的很好 在這群新人裡面算值得賭 06/03 23:45
→ william12tw : 的 06/03 23:45
推 sustainer123: 想問一下 大家對Hendricks有什麼看法 06/03 23:45
→ kenkuo1688 : 火箭沒有scoot跟miller這兩個選項吧 Scoot感覺上限 06/03 23:45
推 badlip: 學生妹被包養多嗎 06/03 23:45 → kenkuo1688 : 好高 06/03 23:45
→ tyrone0923 : 因為上面有人說Amen會進前三,雖然有點難 06/03 23:47
推 mhkt : Hendricks我記得體測方面 好像是橫移速度慢 06/03 23:48
→ mhkt : 投射方面還不錯 06/03 23:49
推 sustainer123: 我看到橫移慢就有點猶豫 不過其他缺點也很明顯 06/03 23:55
推 piggyoil: 亞洲最大包養網上線啦 06/03 23:55 → sustainer123: black手短+身高比預期矮 今年好難選 06/03 23:55
推 tahikuro : 湯普森兄弟在聯賽平均出手只有10次左右 06/04 00:23
→ tahikuro : 當然刷不出數據 06/04 00:23
→ tahikuro : OTE水準差 但是拼鬥很強烈的 不是娛樂比賽 06/04 00:24
→ tahikuro : 沒有觀察OTE比賽不要用自己的想像跟認知去判斷 06/04 00:24
推 TwixBar: 我哥上包養網被我抓包.. 06/04 00:24 推 tahikuro : 說韓德森鬥志高純屬笑話 他是自尊高而已 06/04 00:27
→ tahikuro : 比賽打不順看來不會贏他就放鬆不拚了 06/04 00:28
→ tahikuro : 後面表現太差他甚至害怕影響身價直接放棄不打比賽 06/04 00:29
→ tahikuro : 這種只想保住身價直接放棄繼續比賽自私者有啥鬥志 06/04 00:30
→ tahikuro : 別人熱門秀即使表現很差順位狂降誰像他一樣棄賽不打 06/04 00:31
推 boggicer: 有人包養過洋鬼子嗎 06/04 00:31 推 Fifteam : 好文值得推 06/04 00:33
推 indpa5553 : 湯普森兄弟就是沒有選擇用刷數據的打法評價才高吧, 06/04 00:41
→ indpa5553 : 反面例子GG Jackson 06/04 00:41
推 amdvega : 198身高213臂展跟頂尖體能就是本錢 去年夏普整年沒 06/04 00:44
→ amdvega : 打一樣穩穩前十 球探要看的是比賽內容 球三跟AE兩 06/04 00:44
推 Chiason: 有錢人為啥都想包養 06/04 00:44 → amdvega : 人當年也是純賣潛力 而很顯然過去一年兩兄弟的比賽 06/04 00:44
→ amdvega : 內容是大多數球探買單的 且他們教練也給兩兄弟在態 06/04 00:44
→ amdvega : 度跟品性上打高分 我是蠻看好的 06/04 00:44
推 tim19990312 : 樓上兩位的思維非常正確 06/04 00:48
推 amdvega : 這屆提不起興趣的就尼克 Black JHS 卡森 尼克看不 06/04 00:50
推 Markell: 有人被洋鬼子包養過嗎 06/04 00:50 → amdvega : 出任何優點 Black跟JHS就搭上高控衛潮流的平庸後衛 06/04 00:50
→ amdvega : 卡森這種在大學就以防守為賣點的失敗的例子太多了 06/04 00:50
推 korgh413 : Miller看起來就是沒運勢那種 06/04 00:54
推 vogue38 : Miller看起來下限是Redick 天花板就KT了 06/04 01:08
→ tyrone0923 : Miller有6-9,比KT高5公分,拿KT比不太適合 06/04 01:11
推 fuoya: 到底要多有錢才會想包養 06/04 01:11 推 tahikuro : 湯普森兄弟雖然有比賽內容 但是大部分看到OTE聯賽 06/04 01:19
→ tahikuro : 三個字直覺就否定了比賽所有判斷價值 06/04 01:20
→ tahikuro : OTE是網紅聯賽啊 比賽太低級根本不用看不能看 06/04 01:21
→ tahikuro : 低級聯賽都不能統治吹什麼潛力 06/04 01:22
→ tahikuro : 蜜勒是像喬治 其實在20歲的表現 他比大學的喬治 06/04 01:23
推 Apasiri: 閨蜜上包養網還推薦我... 06/04 01:23 → tahikuro : 更強很多很多 米勒下限至少是全面突破性的庫茲馬 06/04 01:24
推 foolishbi : 推 06/04 02:13
推 earldunn : 推 06/04 11:29